Sunday, November 27, 2005

Why Canadians are Sympathetic to Socialism

I want to follow the leads of two other blogs-- Od and Clinton-- in discussing the misconception that Fascism, when placed on the political spectrum, is a far right ideology, a statement which is historically and philosophically untrue and has troublesome implications. Fascism is as far left as totalitarianism and communism.

The error originates in our school system and it is taught, believed and further propagated by Canadians throughout their lives. We remember the spiel. Russia is a far left ideology, a moral fantasy which is failing, due to its practical implication (our texts still teach the cold war as if it is still ongoing--1980), and that fascism is a far right ideology which is racist and nationalist (both true), and capitalist (factually untrue. The rewards of production were state owned and orientated… see Od and Clinton), and finally we end with the middle ground known as Canada being the progressive, just, and moderate country utilizing the best of both worlds (there is no need to try and explain this a pithy sentence as it is the general theme of all my postings).
This philosophical and historical inaccuracy has reaching political consequences for youth. Politically motivated students tend to be interested in extremes (whether this has to do with their naivety or zeal I don’t-- it is unimportant anyway) and when they are faced with the choice between-- very perceptually put-- racism or altruism as a moral code they logically choose the utopian commune as opposed to the chauvinist, violent and racist German example. Thus non-critical thinking people (young ideologues and well meaning citizens alike), mistaking the philosophical premises involved, tend to be more comfortable with left wing values over right wing values in this country.


To say that fascism is as a far right ideology and communism is the alternative on the left is to presume that man is destined to be governed by the arbitrary rule of a tyrant so we should try to choose the best one. That methodology makes government coercion inevitable and a de-facto starting point. It assumes the liberty is non-existent and that man has no right to be free and self determining. It switches the question from freedom vs. dictatorship into which type of dictatorship.

A proper spectrum places collectivism on the far left with liberty and individual rights on the far right. Governments are then placed according to the degree that they are interventionist in policy. States that seek to program their citizens values are leftwing, whether is through social engineering or wealth redistribution, and on the other side of the spectrum are governments that operate under the mandate of protecting the rights of citizens from coercion and arbitrary government rule through legislative checks and objective law.

By this model fascism is a left a left wing ideology. It is statist, chauvinistic, socialist, nationalist and racist with no concern for the rights of the individual citizen. It stems from a tribalism viewpoint in every respect. Citizens in fascist state have no right to their own lives and instead are sminions who are used to satisfy the aims of an unprincipled leader.

Hitler only differed from Stalin in the sense of how he got production from his sacrificial slaves. He allowed private companies to operate in theory (he saw that nationalization of business was terribly inefficient), but controlled what was created and who owned each company, and even determining profit margin making business dependent on state benevolence. Hitler sought to destroy the independent nature of citizens and business alike, and this is in no way consistent with the protection of individual rights.

14 Comments:

At 5:15 AM, Anonymous Lawrence Kong said...

Very well said! I absolutely agree!

 
At 12:59 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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At 1:16 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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At 1:38 PM, Blogger angryroughneck said...

Your inability to understand Capitalism is amusing. Do you really think because there were businesses that it was a capitalist state. THEY WERE NOT INDEPENDENT in any sense. They were seeking protection from competition. They were getting into bed with government to protect their power! They were Hitler's minions! You are an idiot. You think so superficailly-- if there is business then it is capitalism. You say the "Capitalists put hitler into power". These are not capitalists. if Bill Gates were to seek Governemnt subsidy or tarrifs on competing products he would not be a capitalist! He would be a businessman seeking socialist policies which would protect his wealth and power from the competition of capitalism. Do you not understand that?

 
At 1:44 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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At 3:25 PM, Blogger angryroughneck said...

American capitalists like Maurice Strong and Paul Martin??? are these moderates the capitalists working with the Communists.Yes. These are the democratic capitalists seeking trade with CHina. Ahh Power Corp Capitalists. You are an idiot if you think this capitalism. Unable to answer the questions are debate always end with-- Grand deception and circualr arguments.

Objectivist believe in only one trade restriction. The country would resist trading with unfree countries IE CHINA. it is the moderates that crawl into bed with the communist gulags. You don't understand the premesis so all of your conclusions are flawed. A natural consequence of flawed premesis. Busted.. don't make me laugh

 
At 10:27 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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At 9:08 AM, Blogger angryroughneck said...

Children work for Enron and World Com? Interesting??? You clearly didn't understand what I was saying. To be expected by me and you at this point.

Listen you jackass. You want a difference between Ford and Hitler.
Hitler had a monoply on legal force which he used to murder jews, seize private property, and people who disagreed with him were killed. That is arbitraty scary power

In contrast Ford had no monopoly on force. He was barred from political power. His wealth was attributed to supplying citizens with a means to transport themselves. His "power"-- but what you actually mean is wealth was dependent on citizens wanting what he had developed and produced (through voluntary contract) and this power wasn't political. Ford never had the power to legally murder or to even to force us into buying a car. he never had the power to make anyone quit smoking or attend church.

The fact that you can't recognize the difference between political power and economic power is sad at best.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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At 4:24 PM, Blogger P. M. Jaworski said...

Does Joe Green suffer from a mental disability? Or is that rabies?

I guess even idiots can post a comment on a blog.

 
At 11:42 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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At 8:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Capitalism destroyed slavery, the caste system and the aristocracy. The unleashment of the individual's creatice processes was responsible for a dramatic decline in the infant mortality rates and for doubling the amount of years we live. Add to this how much easier our lives have become with the mass production of good-- cars, shelter, computers, airplanes. Capitalism unleashed the capital and creative forces that eradicated diease and pestilence. But for nutty Mammon Preacher like Joe green that was coincidence. I t just happened regardless of the human mind. People this dumb should be locked up.

 
At 8:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Oh Yeah Joe, that surplus capital in afree society is reivested into technology, that is how our world progresses. You are a fool Joe. And poh yeah I think if you are using the internet you are destined to burn in hell. SINNER!

 
At 9:53 AM, Blogger Joe Green said...

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