Friday, January 12, 2007

What the hell is a pacifist Communist?

I want to rehash a little paradoxical nostalgia. A conversation I once had with a friend. He was a good guy—liked to drink, fight, tell wild stories and explore life. We met due to unforeseen circumstances after a night of heavy drinking—we were going to fight. In the end both of us and another friend took a pretty good beating from bouncers. He was tough little son of a bitch. I liked that. I though I was a tough little son of a bitch too. It was an easy understanding to start out with. About a year later things got fucked up and we both wound up in University. There were three us. Two writers and a painter (artist for you academics) walking from one world into another. Four years later and an English degree later the university had killed his brain. He fell under its pseudo rebel spell. It started out with a Noam Chomsky book and ended with a conversation we had. The transformation was gradual. The conversation was not:

Pipeliner writer: Well I’m a pacifist Communist.

Angryroughneck: You can’t be a pacifist Communist. That’s impossible.

:Pipeliner writer: What do you mean? I’m against war and I believe in Communal living. What’s wrong with that?

Angryroughneck: Well what if I say no?

Pipeliner writer: No to what?

Angryroughneck: No to everything. No to you taking my house, my money, my land, no to you telling me where to work, where to live, no to you telling me which books to read and how to educate my children. No to everything!

Pipeliner writer: Well I wouldn’t do those things?

Angryroughneck: How do you think they are decided under Communist rule?

Pipeliner writer: Well if everyone shared--

Angryroughneck: I already told you once, fucking well NO! So what do you do about it? Do you just sit idly by? Because then other people would tell you no, and then the system would crumble. How do you enforce communism if you are against violence? It’s a logical absurdity.

Pipeliner writer: I would reason with you.

Angryroughneck: I told you fucking no. Pretend I’m crazy and it’s impossible to convince me. Pretend. So what do you do then?

Pipeliner writer: You’re impossible to reason with!

He walked away from the table. Most conversations with collectivists end this way. It’s sad when friendships do. It’s a wonder I like to stay home and drink too much beer


At 11:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pascal hada theory that may be appropriate to finding reason to this "pacifist communist." The idea is that if you hang out with communists long enough you wil inevitably become a communist. If you're living in a communist society you could only put up a fight for so long and you'd be ignored so much before you would either leave or be converted. One of the problems with a lot of these statists is that they tried to force communism on people, ipso they gave them too much attention and thus justified their world view point.

At 11:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny how when people change not everyone stays with you. I had a falling out with someone who I thought was a close friend. But over four years she's changed, and I changed. And you can't be friends with someone you completely reject their beliefs/values etc...A pot smoking-wanna-be-teachers-college-applicant-with-a-70-average-in-Soci/Psych isn't going to make it, and I told her that.

You'd like to think, and there are the cliches that, no matter what, your 'true' friends will always be there, and that stuff is true. No matter what, it sucks losing a friend, but it's also self-rewarding, the acknowledgement that you know who you are and can articulate it to others.

Sometimes I wonder if I truly can be friends with people who are different than me ideologically. But I guess you don't learn unless you're challenged...

Thanks for sharing your story

At 8:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats the difference between socialists and fasists/communists. Socialists believe in their ideology and wan't to force everyone to go along but can't go the final step toward violence to get what they wan't. Facisct/communists are willing to go the extra mile and use violence to force compliance.

At 10:04 AM, Blogger angryroughneck said...

Paul Vincent:
But wouldn't want pascal said be counteracted with the evidence of people all over the world risking life to flee communism for a freer existance.

I was at your site. It was ironcic. My next post is right up you alley. I should have it up later today or tommorw

At 2:26 AM, Blogger Feynman and Coulter's Love Child said...

I don't know how many workplace conversations have ended in "you sound like a commie". "I am kind of a commie". "Bloody Red, I'm out of here"...

At 1:56 PM, Blogger Sean said...

Great post! Maybe I'll use that sometime.


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