Tuesday, January 31, 2006

Jimmy and Hamas Gang

Last week in Palestine, after overseeing a Hamas victory during federal elections former American President Jimmy Carter once again demonstrated the shallowness of leftwing thinking when he stated "[I believe the electoral victory will have a moderating effect on their ideology]"

Carter believes granting a terrorist group that’s ideology is bent on genocide political powers will be beneficial in the long wrong. He believes pragmatic appeasement is the best process to achieving peace—that appeasing evil is the best way to achieve peace.

So I ask this question—what is the compromise between terror and freedom? Does Carter think the goal is to have Hamas agree to fewer suicide bombers? There can be no compromise with the ideology of genocide. You either believe in the mass murder of Jews or you don’t. You cannot "somewhat" believe in it— you cannot somewhat commit a terrorist attack— you either do or you don’t.

And who does appeasement and endless compromise benefit? It sure isn’t the Jews. In exchange for Arabs temporarily ceasing to blow up their citizens Israel will relinquish more land. What did Israel gain? A brief period of stability before the suicide attacks begin again in pursuit of the next boarder. In fact compromise never benefits the Just. Because the Just is always relinquishing the good (a rightfully gained value—whether it be freedom or property) in exchange for the attacker reducing the amount of evil he will commit. The Just has gained no value. If a mugger demands money it is of no benefit for the victim to affably compromise half of his money.

-Give me your wallet.
-I can only give you half
-Well then you have to agree to not inform the police

The victim has relinquished half of his money and the right to persecute his attacker in return the oppressor has gained money which he has no right to and found safety from the law. There can be no compromise between principles. Principles are either/or choices—freedom and slavery—the rational and irrational—honesty and dishonesty.

Carter has once again demonstrated the shallowness of leftwing thinking.


At 6:26 AM, Blogger Danté said...

Hmm, where have I heard that before?

Oh yeah, Hindenburg said it about Adolf Hitler.

Some people never freaking learn. Yeesh. Ignorant fools.

At 7:15 AM, Blogger Richard said...

Well said!

At 6:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Weren't Hitler, Mugaybabi? and Mussolini all voted in. Democracy is no sure way to peace. Charters that limit gov power is what is needed

At 11:37 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

President Jimmy Carter was and remains a great American President. Unlike the current incumbent and the lunatics that surround him, President Carter organized and brought about a lasting Peace in the Middle East between Israel and Egypt.

And I might add, that directly gave way to a lasting peace between Jordan and Israel.

As for Hamas, it seems to me that one really good way for them to improve the new state of Palestine, is to take a bounty and bring to justice every American Capitalist Criminal that is on the lam around the world. Starting with Ken Lay, Dick Cheney and George Bush Senior. I think they would make great bounty hunters, even surpassing the "dog" that has grown fat and lazy with television revenues running over the brim of his cup.

God knows Hamas would have a field day in Calgary. Everywhere you turn, there are more American Republicans with Canadian Passports doing in Canada, which Americans have been doing for generations abroad outside their own borders.

At 9:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brilliant Joe! Just what I would have said!

At 3:42 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

Just like fascists to be burning books at night in the public square while hiding behind anonymous names, handles and "legends", to use a KGB term.

Well, the Harper "neocon" facists are in government, they are in control in Ottawa, and we are all about to see first hand, just what a horror is in store for this great country.

I am holding my breath, expecting Harper and the killers in Calgary to announce that Canada is "going nuclear" as a matter of "national security" and that the "official secrets act" will prevent Canadians from talking about it.

Stockwell Day has been pushing for this for some time, as pushed by Ezra Lavant as I understand them (as they come in and out of coherent speech patterns). Its the "neocon" answer to the Iranians and the North Koreans.

I guess we are going to be going back to the Cold War where the enemy this time, is a unstable civil engineer from Saudi Arabia given to writing poetry and encouraging his fellows to take the fast train to Paradise.

What did you goons in Calgary do that got him so mad???

At 4:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe, you should read over your comments before you post them; you'd save yourself a lot of embarassment that way. See, maybe then you wouldn't come off as an absurdity that NO ONE takes seriously. Your comments are nonsense and incoherent and you reveal yourself to be a petty, misinformed child. I'm delighted that you're now squealing like an injured pig because the BIG BAD SCARY Tories are in power. How frightening for your sensitive self. BOO!

At 3:04 PM, Blogger angryroughneck said...

Hah I love the last anonymous comment. When "Joe squeels like a pig" I can picture it myself. OOhh the bad tories that want to restore individual rights. And Joe ridicules the anonymous like he has made his identity known? BOO!

At 4:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hamas's victory baffled a lot of commentators. A couple of well-known observations make it less mystifying. One, the "natural ruling party" of Palestine--Fatah--was corrupt and unaccountable, ciphoning millions of dollars away from the Palestinian people; and two, Hamas has been building schools and homes and providing clean water for people. As much as we would like to think that people as poor as they are in this part of the middle east vote for an "ideology," the fact is that "ideology" (at least how you construe the word in your blog) is a throw-away term the leisure classes use when all of their most basic needs are met. It is what allows the most vociferous and least engaged to trumpet their opinions. Here it is clear that most Palestinians voted the way they did because they hate starving.

Moreover, Western democracies are clearly not assuming the "pragmatic appeasement" strategy you suggest they are in dealing with Hamas. In fact, Western governments have explicitly stated that much-needed aid will be withheld from the new Hamas-led government if they do not forgoe their stated goal of driving Israel into the sea. And rightfully so.

Carter's personal views about the matter are possibly as stupid as you say But they are also irrelevant to this issue. The fact is that several groups, having sought the legitimacy that only democratic processes can confer on their existence, have explicitly renounced their violent and anti-democratic goals (the IRA being the most obvious). Maybe he's not that crazy.

But you did something with this post that is uncharacteristic of your blog in general---you failed to make any constructive suggestions about how to proceed. What are the "principles" you refer to, what is the "either/or" that must be chosen between, and how should these decisions be applied in practice? How can the breadth and depth of "rightwing" thinking, a corrective to shallow "leftwing" thinking, be applied to the problems stemming from Hamas's democratic victory?

At 8:02 PM, Blogger angryroughneck said...


At 6:57 PM, Blogger Joe Green said...

It is truely breathtaking to read "neocon" ideas about terrorism and the failed states that breed terrorism.

Right wing crazies in Canada believe that bleeding the Palestinian State of foreign aid, is going to "deal with the terrorists". I say they are wrong. They in fact are creating a failed state with their policies, and sooner or later they will connect the dots and figure out why it is that failed states produce suicide bombers, terrorists, and right wing American Republicans. Remember that Bush/Cheney "axis of evil" neocons have now clearly set the United States of America upon the path of a future failed state that cannot pay its bills, house its homeless, educate its young, and otherwise support the "rule of law".


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